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yesterday of course was st. patrick adays hear, and i can only assume it had the time to do with lynn, mom wanted to truly celebrate on the big day. it's the day we irish americans celebrate and brack brag about where we came from. nobody has kept seek during the time the fact that they're irish. this year actually today, and right this moment i'm about to celebrate it in a special way. my guest is senator mark daly i from the republic of iowa. to what do i owe this honor? which is official irish government recognition of all those people, the 70 million globally and 14 million, so we present one to president obama, coach kelly of notre dame university. >> my gosh. >> and we've given one to general dempsey, congressman
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rooney, congressman neal, and congressman king. >> so you've traced it down through my mom's side, but my dad's side, too, but -- >> we count that. >> when i had the irish accident, my grandmom had the mrs. doubtfire accent. >> we know you're -- >> i was -- >> that side is where you probably get it. so pretty much anybody in the united states or globally can get a certificate of irish heritage. >> but you gave it to me. i want it narrowed down. >> today is st. patrick's day, i thought about you and the 40 million in the united states. >> i'll be seeing you tonight at the ireland fund. what's the different between hoar and there. >> wee actually imported a lot. it used to be a three days in a year in which there was no drinking, good friday, christmas day and st. patrick's day.
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so we've kind of changed that. >> it's kind of like pizza got big in italy when it got big here. >> thank you senator mark daly. that's "hardball" for now. "politics nation with al sharpton, starts right now. 6. in the fourth months since the election, republicans have tried everything to rebrand themselves. they've been told to stop being the stupid party. they've conducted polls. they've gone on retreats, and now after all that self-examination, the rnc is out with 100-page report on what went wrong in 2012. it's been finding voters said the party is, quote, scary.
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that's just the tip of the iceberg. >> but the report notes that the way we communicate or principles isn't resonating widely enough. focus groups described our party as narrow-minded, out of touch, and, quote, stuffy old men. the perception that we're the party of the rich unfortunately continues to grow. >> scary, narrow-minded, out of touch, stuffy old men. i think they've got it this time. the first step is admitting you have a problem. so how do they plan on fixing this mess? >> we're going to be setting up an rnc field office in the san francisco area for a more rational number of debates. what? what? was busy that month?
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how does that fix being scary and out of touch? what about policy and principles? >> to be clear, our principles are sound. >> sound principles? there's nothing sound about their aspirin tells. in the speech, the word "immigration" or "gale" never came up. just look at the party platform. they're called stuffy old men, and their platform is strictly anti-choice. they're called narrow-minded and the platform is against gale marriage. they're called scary, and the platform backs strict voting laws. this is a party that's out of touch with reality. joining me now is congresswoman jan schakowsky, and dana milbank, column irs, first, thank you. >> this does signal a shift for
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the party on immigration, but how can they possibly say their principles are sound? >> well, there's no way. they haven't talked much about principles. we're going to see some of their principles tomorrow when they vote on a budget that's going to change medicare into a voucher program, a dramatic cut in education, programs for children, medicaid, the health care program for poor people, and so it's hard to understand how they retreat from being really scary, and of course there's not going to be one penny of cuts to the wealthiest of americans tomorrow, and so being the stuffy old men, i kind of translate that into a rich and stuffy old, old men, and their solutions are absolutely ridiculous. i understand for young people they decided that they need to do more celebrity concerts and events. i'm wondering who they're going to get. maybe clint eastwood is really cool with the young people.
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>> i have a few ideas about that myself. dana before i give my ideas on their celebrity surrogates, you know, how do you mess with medicaid and medicare and think you're countering the image of being scary? and then, i mean, former bush campaign strategist matthew dowd, he compared the cpac gathering to a flintstones episode, listen to this. yabba dabba do, they seem
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rather depressed, and actually the contingent woman had it right. they did say they were unfortunately becoming the party of the rich as well. that was -- they have the problem diagnosed properly, it seems like they would like to point to just about anything else. well, it's technology, the outreach. they just need more surrogates to women, and they don't seem to be able to grasp, well, maybe it has something to do with the policies. this committee said we're not supposed to talk about policies, but if you ever want to win again, you'll have to reach out to women, latinos, minority groups, and then reince priebus gets up there and several of them asked you about it afterwards. and said i'm not getting behind xre hence reform. >> when you talk about the gop talks about change, but speaker boehner says i'm not changing in terms of same sex marriage,
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coming out with her statement, look at what speaker boehner said. >> can you imagine yourself in a situation where you reversed your decision as portland has, on gale marriage if a child of yours or someone you loved told you they were gale? >> listen, i believe that marriage is the union of one man and one woman, and i can't imagine that position would ever change. >> now, this at a time, congresswoman, where a brand-new poll comes out saying that support for gale marriage is at 58%. >> well, not only that, but there's a generational gap. for young people, i'm sure that number is higher than 58%. young people are over the issue of same-sex marriage, and if
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they're serious about reaching out, and let me say one other thing, their recommendation have set off a civil war or exacerbated a civil war within the republican party p if the -- sort of the right of the right wing is really against the recommendations that they have made, which are all procedure and really have nothing to do with the substance that has made them a party that's in danger of being completely obsolete. >> now, you know, dana, you touched on women and minorities. the national review -- the national journal -- certainly not the -- they had the argue entitled the gop keeps getting whiter. it says, i'm quoting, but drawing themselves into safe, lily-white strongholds, have they boxed themselves into an alternate university that bears little resemblance to the rest
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of the country? so with all that jerry mandering it might have boxed themselves? >> we've talked about this to some extent before, the jerry mandering has protected the republican majority. so they've been able to manage to preserve their advantage in the short term here. the problem is this does set up a long-term problem. you can only hold up that firewall so long. you have to give into the demographic changes that are occurring in this country. that's what this report was saying. it seems to me they're more moving around the chess pieces, trying to make the greatest advantage of what they have at the moment. congresswoman, are there any republicans on the hill that get it? it's hard to believe with this kind of assessment that they themselves say their study gave, but then they almost are
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oblivious to their findings when it comes to answers. does anyone you know on the hill, and on the other side on the aisle in congress get it? >> there may be a few, but i think we'll see in the vote on the budget, on the ryan budget that when it comes to actually casting their vote and taking a stand on policy issues that really will be meaningful to minorities or to young people or to women, they just step right up in line. i think it's a suicidal approach. we have not really seen any serious breakage from the line that the leaders are taking and that you heard from john boehner. >> yeah, well, i -- it's more you hear the moor you can't believe. congresswoman jan schakowsky, dana milbank, thank you both for your time this evening. >> thank you. still ahead, president obama makes a big statement about his
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second term priorities and surprise surprise, the right wing is going nuts over it. plus look out, karl rove. here comes sarah palin. she's throwing red meat to the far right, and taking aim at the architect. >> if these experts who keep losing elections, you keep getting rehired, raking in millions, the architects can head on back to -- they can head on back to the great lone star state. also, the devil photo that everybody's talking about. does he look familiar to you? and my live interview with the raging cajun. james carville, big show tonight. stay with us. oh this is lame, investors could lose tens of thousands of dollars
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president obama has made it the centerpiece of his second term agenda. he did it again today. this morning he nominated thomas perez to be the next labor secretary. perez is the head of the civil rights division at the justice department the president also marked women's history month today, but talking about the long fight for equal rights. >> 100 years ago this month, thousands of women were marching right outside this house, demanding one of our most fundamental rights, the right to vote. a century later. its rooms are full of accomplished well who have overcome discrimination, shattered glass ceilings, and become outstanding role models
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for all of our sons and daughters. all of you inspire me to make sure that i'm doing everything that i can as president to carry on that progress. and he keeps that promise. less than two weeks ago the president signed the new violence against women act into law, part of a broad progressive push we have seen in this second term. a kyle senate panel is said to be close to a deal on immigration. unemployment is down to 7.7%, the lowest level in four years. since the gop's big loss, republicans have spent a lot of times looking backwards, but the president is moving the country ahead. joining me now is victoria defran chez ko soto, and clarence page. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> thanks, rev.
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they traditional have a small window to work on the agenda in the second term. how do you think he's moving? >> to be perfectly honest, i've said for a while it's kind of an ad hoc agenda. he got health care passed and fixed the economy. he has the economy on the right track. the gun issue was not a big deal with him in the beginning. gale marriage was not a big issue, but they have become centerpieces, that's the period he's in at this point. republicans are cooperating to the degree that they appeared to be disorganized enough that he appears to be right on track. >> you know, on that point, in terms of the economy, victoria, the president talking about the budget last week, he said something that the gop just jumped all over. the president said, and i'm quoting him, we don't have an immediate crisis in terms of debt, and the republicans and the right wing went bananas. but then mr. boehner and ryan,
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of course, agree with him. watch this. >> we do not have an immediate debt crisis, but we all know that we have one looming. >> we do not have a debt crisis right now, but we see it coming. we know it's irrefeetably happeningivities they say the president shouldn't have said it, now you have boehner and ryan saying it, about you if both say we don't have an immediate crisis, why do we need immediate cuts to things like head start, victoria? >> the other people who agree with president obama are millions and millions of americans who say that the economy is the main issue. second to the economy is the deficit. it goats back to the fundamental issue of moderation. this is the achilles' heel for the republican party.
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everything is just black and white. whereas most folks, most americans in the middle believe in moderation. whether we do our own taxes or finances, we sit down and figure out, how do we cut a little here, save alternates there, increase revenue? so the problem with the republican party is they're out of step how most of us work on a day-to-day basis. that's something that the president has been so good at reflecting in his bigger vision of deficit reduction and the economy as a bigger issue. clarence, you still here boehner say no new ref, though the american people are saying new revenue. they're saying we don't have an immediate crisis, but we need immediate cuts. why are we cutting head start and other things immediately if there's no immediate problem. a new republican leaning poll, a republican-leaning poll says just 16% of americans said the deficit and the debt with their top concerns.
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38% said it was the economy and jobs. now, my question to you, clarence, americans came about about a 2:1 margin, the gop's own polls shows this. do they need a wake-up call? >> i think they're finally getting it. actually they got it in november. you look at how the election came out -- the establishment of reps were shocked that they didn't win. all of their logic said obama is a fall failure, he's got to lose, and he didn't. so they're going through the polls, reince priebus today announcing a big report, and they're finding that lo and behold, america is not as excited about debt and deficit. we all care about paying our bills at home, but the government prince money, sets the flow of money and they've been screaming that the sky is falling for so long, that folks don't see that as being a crisis
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as much as their personal debt. they're finally coming around and say we have to take about their own pocketbook bread and butters, which is how he got reelected, because he was talking about it. >> let me go to a associate issue, victoria. in may of last year, i think it was, the president came out in favor of same-sex marriage, and the supreme court takes up the issue next week. a new poll shows that 58% of americans believe same-sex marriage should be legal, only 36% say that it shouldn't. now, did the president help crystallize public opinion that was evolving, just like he was, in your opinion, victoria? >> i do. and the other part of this is that i think the issue of gale civil rights is one that can be one of his legacy issues, which historians look at what makes for a good legacy for a
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second-term president, we want to go big. you don't want to spread yourself too thin and want to focus in on a couple things. i think in addition to immigration, gale civil rights is one of these. so the president by pushing forward the agenda, both at the national level and being an advocate for gale rights at the state level, can make his mark not just for the present, but also just for the history of this nation. >> talk about the history of this nation, clarence, i want to ask you this before we run out of time in this segment. >> i believe so much of -- >> i wasn't exactly putting it that way. tomorrow marks the tenth year since the start of the iraq war. one of president obama's accomplishments is not discussed a lot. is that he ended the war and brought home the by the end of
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next year, he's promised that the war in afghanistan will be own. what could be bigger than a president ending two wars? >> it would be a big are problem, of course, if we didn't end them. it's giving americans a big sigh of relief. there have been complaints on the right about whether we've leave too soon or not, but you don't see a big moment let's stay in afghanistan, let's go back to iraq. that doesn't happen. these wars were a mistake. i'm not gloating. i was saying that we shouldn't go into iraq before we got in, and i was hardly alone. the main thing is how do we get out and avoid this thing in the future. let's hope we learned some lessons. >> well, you won't, but i will. i say we shouldn't have gone into iraq in the beginning and i'm against further engagement in afghanistan, so i won't be as humble as you. thank you both for your time.
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>> thank you. ahead, sarah palin and karl rove at war, and it is getting very personal. plus, glenn beck is at it again. what is he saying about this picture that has everyone talking? when did you know that grandma was the one? when her sister dumped me. grandpa was my dad a good athlete? no. oh dad, you remember my friend alex? yeah. the one that had the work done... good to see you.
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that he's just a big celebrity. karl rove's super-p.a.c. created a whole ad making fun of the president, and the right-wing talkers ate it up. >> he's becoming barack kardashian. that's what's been coming. he is becoming the male kim kardashian with this stuff. he is celebrity of the united states, he is not the president. >> this from a man obsessed with celebrity and the redistribution of wealth. >> someone more interested in hanging out with u2, performing with the roots on jimmy fallon's show. >> republican national k34i9ee chair slammed the president for slow jamming the news on the fallon show, saying it hardly seemed like official business. so i was surprised to hear him say this today. >> go beyond traditional news media in promoting or message, including pop culture news
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outlets. we have to stop divorcing ourselves from the american culture, and maybe that might mean i could get an invitation with the lady of "the view." so he represent the president for talk shows, and now he wants to go on "the view"? that's not all. he also wants to establish an rnc celebrity task force of personalities in the entertainment industry to host events and says republican leaders should participate and actively prepare for enter views with "the daily show" the colbert report" mtv and magazines such as people and "us weekly." be careful what you wish for. >> what do you want me to tell romney? i can't tell him to do that. i can't do that to himself. you're absolutely crazy.
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savior marco rubio. is he ready to lead? >> we need action for example, to engage in the global economy, through fair trade, but we also need to engage in the world, if we're living in a global economy, america must wise in how it uses its influence. not exactly lighting up the crowd, but look out, establishment. she's back! sarah palin was greeted like a rock star when he took the stage over the weekend. the conservative crowd loved it. >> no background checks, bad idea, mr. president. should have started with yours. oh, bloomberg's not around, our big gulp is safe. we're cool.
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it's just pop with low-cal ice cubes in it. i hope that's okay. so the half-term governor turned reality tv star turns fox newscastoff is the life of the party. does the gop have a problem? you betcha. joins me here on set is lauren ash burn and ryan grim. lauren, what does it say about the state of the gop when sarah palin is getting that reaction? >> she livened up that crowd. as a person who spent the day listening to rubio and ryan -- >> that was yawning just that. >> she comes on and bam she has the crowd laughing. she has the crowd moving. you know, it seemed like she was auditioning for a role on msnbc, as much as she was bashing other republicans. >> well, ryan, do you think that you think it's a lack of talent that there's no new ideas?
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i mean, why such a bland crew of people at cpac, many of whom we expect to be running in 2016? >> it's because palin doesn't care about elections. the people who were being bland and boring are trying to position themselves for 2016. they know the rhetoric that fires up a cpac crowd dooms them in 2016. >> you mean they're bland on purpose? >> i think they're blade on purpose. palin doesn't care. she cares about the palin brand. so she's going to say the stuff that all the consultants and all the pollsters are telling them to stay away from, because she knows it will fire up the crowd. that's all she wants to do. >> among other things she went right after karl rove. listen to this. >> if these experts, who keep losing election, and you keep getting rehired raking in millions, if they feel that strong by about who gets to run in this party, then she should
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buck up or stay in the truck. buck up and run. the architects can head on back to -- [ cheers and applause ] >> they can head on back to the great lone star state and put some name on ballot, though for their sake i hope they give themselves a discount on their consulting services. >> but i've got to give it to her, karl rove came right back and responded. watch this, lauren. >> i'm a volunteer. i don't take a dime from my work with american cross roads. i even pay my own travel expenses. look, i appreciate her encouragement i ought to go home to texas. i would be enthused to have her support. but i don't think i'm a particularly good candidate. second of all, i would say if i did run for office and win, i would serve out my term. i wouldn't leave midterm. >> ooh.
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how big a problem is this? the tea party superstar versus the guy that is supposed to get people elected? >> i don't think it is at all in this particular case. as ryan says, she doesn't have anywhere to go. she failed at her governorship by quitting, she has lost her contract at fox. she now is making jokes with big gulps, and what is that? where is she going to go snow? he has not taken her platful. she had a huge platform in 2008. she hasn't taken it seriously. she hasn't come out with ideas and put them to task, and to test within the party. so for her to bash rove, who is still in the party, trying to make things happen and things work, really doesn't seem to make a whole lot of difference. >> but ryan, she is speaking to the soul of the party in terms of that crowd that really has a load of pull in the primaries and will determine who is in the
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general elections. and though i understand your point before about there being purposely bland, they can't get to the general to claim moderate if they can't get by the primaries, and she's speaking to a lot of the primary voters. >> that's the problem. i think what they're doing is they're saying, look, there's no point in me running to the far right, even if it wins me the primary, because i'm going to lose the general. so if people like jeb bush and chris christie are saying, look, what i'm going to do is try to win the primary in a way that would allow me to win the general, or i'm going to lose trying. because what's the point otherwise? sarah palin, like i said, she doesn't care. the more people out here who are out there, you know, riling up the base, then the harder it is for republicans who are like jeb bush to become electable. what it really shows is the genius of sarah palin a couple years ago. she knew her time in the national spot light was fading,
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so she quit, she cashed in, and if she had served out her term as governor of alaska, it would have cost her millions. >> right now she's sort of like those girls at the trade shows they have, you know, standing around to get you to come into the booths. they look really nice and talking really nice. they want you to come into the party, but they don't really have anything to do with the party. >> but she's not being written off by all of the conservatives, not just yet, anyway in terms of a comeback, cite hyper says to -- charles kreit hyper says it's possible if she applying herself. she still has ability to ignite activists. i'm sure it's not the last we heard of her. newt gingrich says, she could run for the u.s. senate, she could sustain national impact.
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are they afraid to bother with attacking her? or are they leaving the door open, because the door is stick cracked open? >> sure, they're leaving the door open, because this is a woman who, among conservative women and conservatives in general has a very high approval rating. this woman can still attract people to her. she has star power, and if, as crowdhammer says she does apply herself, she finds a cause she's interested in, she could do some real leadership at this time within the party. >> well, lawrence ash burn and ryan grim, i'm going to have to leave it there. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. ahead, what does glenn beck have to do with this picture? and the one and only james carville is here, live on how progressive values can win long into the future action and he might have a thing or two to say about hillary. stay with us. yeah?
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"the bible" on the history channel. some think the character has a striking resemblance to someone else. glen beck tweeted out -- anyone else think the devil looks exactly like that guy? that guy is how beck refers to president obama. could it be a coincident? drudge report picked up devil in tv show "the bible" bears striking resemblance to obama. the history channel released a statement saying it's unfortunate that anyone made in false connection. the executive producers called it utter nonsense and said false statements such as these are just designed as foolic distraction. yes, it is a foolish distraction, it is nonsense, but people like glen beck see what they want to see.
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i'm back with one of the biggest, loudest and smarts voices on the left. he helped the come democrat back kid bill clinton get into the white house in 1992, be reminding politicians that it's the economy, stupid. and ever since carville has had his finger on the pulse of democratic politics. with strategic and sometimes salty advise for progressives, calling on democrats to fight for what they know is right.
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joins me from the great city of new orleans is the man himself. >> thank you for having me. i'm enjoying the show. great show you have going tonight. democrats wanted a progressive agenda. now making pros on guns, immigrati immigration, is a progressive message a winning message in america 2013? >> let's be clear here. americans wanted that. the election was decided decisively. their policies were rejected, and democratic policies were embraced. this is not just a progressive agenda.
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we have the authority of an election behind us. >> having the authority of the election, you set and helped to make bill clinton the last elected democrat you helped to make that happened. what would you say the president needs to do in terms of the electora electorate. i think he's right to have it front and center, and of course, you know i'm a a big believer that the middle class an unduly covered. at some point -- i understand we're to theers here, wee coming back better than most countries, but the middle classes still not coming back like it needs to.
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he's had a lot on his plate, but that's one of the things we need to up other game on here. 2012 was a disaster and here's how they described the part. scary, narrow minded, stuffy old men. do you have a few choice phrases. >> what they're trying to do now, they don't -- they're trying to change the rules of how they pick a president, and also trying to change the rules to how we pick a president. you see, they don't want those people at cpac who like the --
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they don't want people like you and i, wo don't like the confederate flag, to have as much power. they're trying to marginalize them, saying we don't want these people to vole. we just want them in general. now the rand paul people are fighting back. we seem them at places like that, trying to marginalize progressive reporters, so it's really kin of a strange strategic thing they have themselves caught betwixt and between. i find it kind of amusing. let me ask you a question closer to home, just between you and i. >> just between you and i. i understand. this is the kind of pastor/parishioner privilege going on here? >> that's correct. >> just talking among ourselves. >> that's correct. is hillary going to run?
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>> well, let me put it this way. i have never heard a democrat -- and i've been around the country a lot. first, i've never ahead a democrat sake, you know, i really miss bush, and the second thing, i hope hillary doesn't run. i think if she knew the amount of support she has out there, i think most democrats would like to see her run. i certainly hope so, but, you know, if the power of me hoping, and i'm going to hold my breath. i'm going to -- i really do want her to run. you've got to give her a chance to recoup. she's worked real hard for the president the last four years, and i'm sure that she's -- it's going to go through her mind and she's going to give it a lot of thought. >> she came out today and formally endorsed same-sex marriage. james carville just reminded the country she worked hard for president obama. it sounds to me like there may be some preparation for you a
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run. if she van, does that clear the field? no one would dare challenge her? >> no one would ever say that in politics. i think she would be as formidable a front-runner, and i've never seen a -- this is early, but at this everliy stage in the process, and i think david plouffe said the same thing yesterday about what a formidable front-runner she would be, you know, but not very often do we get a candidate that the party can unite behind and enhance the real qualifications that mrs. clinton does. look action i'm unabashedly hoping she runs president she's a strong woman. she's going to make up her own mind. i guarantee you that. who does the republicans have that you can't see that could give her a race if she in fact runs and becomes a nominee? who would be the one that you would be concerned about if you
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were helping with her campaign if there were to be one? >> i don't think -- i think the republicans have a problem, if you look in the last six elections, democrats have carried states carrying 242 electoral votes. if all we need to do is carry those plus florida, i think the republicans are going to be hard-pressed not to pick a candidate from florida. that would either be former governor jeb bush, if he decides to run. that's somewhat of a question mark, you know marco rubio, who i think is coming a cross a bit light myself. he doesn't seem to work very hard, but that's my own pin. he could get more seasoning. if they don't carry florida. if we florida, and we just do as the states that we carried in the last six in a row, we're going to win it. so i -- i hope that they cede florida to us the that would be the best news we could have. but they have other problems getting from here to there. if you look at this cpac thing, this is a party that can't even
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agree on slavery. they're talking about rape. you know, it's pretty weird stuff going on there. when you have a meeting like that, with all the reporters, and they're having a discussion about slavery, i don't think that's what they were trying to get out to the voters, but that's the way some people in the party feel. those people will be out, trying to vote, trying to pick their nominee. i don't know if the powers to be will be able to shut these people up. brother limbaugh is not happy about attempts to marginalize him, and neither is mr. beck. they're trying to marginalize him over there, too. >> they're making a lot of noise, an it's music to yours ears. >> it is, it is. we enjoy watching. we like this spectacle. thank you, reverend al. >> thank you for your time tonight. >> yes, sir. thank you. we'll be right back. my mother made the best toffee in the world.
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